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 jj52
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This week we have learned several different types of clinical studies. Throughout my elementary through high school education we were taught about placebo controlled studies and how patients may be subjected to a placebo effect. A placebo effect is the beneficial effect of sham drug that is due to the patient's belief of receiving the test drug. If patients receiving a sham drug are promoting the same results as patients who are receiving the actually test drug, how can this be explained and differentiated in data? Do you feel that the placebo effect can have negative effects on  a clinical trial? 

 
Posted : 29/10/2023 11:03 am
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I'd say short-term data can be influenced by the placebo effect, but keep in mind that placebos don't keep working indefinitely. So, when we look at studies over a longer period, the placebo effect tends to wear off, and we get more accurate results.

Regarding your question about distinguishing the placebo effect from actual treatment in the data, it's a bit of a puzzle in clinical trials. Researchers often use a placebo group to help with this. They compare the folks getting the real deal with those receiving a fake treatment (the placebo) to figure out the real impact of the drug. The placebo effect can muddle things in clinical trials, but with careful study design and statistical analysis, we can manage it.

 
Posted : 29/10/2023 1:44 pm
 an83
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I would disagree that the placebo effect can have negative effects on a clinical trial. This is because in a clinical trial, there is a difference between a sign and a symptom. Signs are results of illness that are visible to both the provider and the patient while a symptom is only experienced by the provider. Because the experience of a symptom is highly subjective, the data behind clinical trials should be based on signs. The improvement of a patient to a particular treatment should be recorded based on objective metrics, not subjective patient experience. For this reason, as long as clinical trial is obtained in a proper, unbiased manner, there should not be any negative effects on a clinical trial due to the placebo effect

 
Posted : 29/10/2023 3:47 pm
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I don't think the placebo effect can have a negative effect on a trial as long as it is documented, additionally if the study is double blind. I think we are good. I think there are a lot of studies that seeks to explore the reasoning behind the placebo effect. However, I think there is still a lot more to learn, though. 

Additionally, I think it all depends on the situation. The placebo might have a positive effect, but maybe not to the same degree as the therapeutic in all situations: or maybe even better. The answer to your question really depends on the situation. 

 
Posted : 29/10/2023 5:45 pm
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I completely disagree that placebos are "negative" effects or "sham drugs". I think it's an overall depiction of how much we still don't know about the human body, and how much we rely on pharmaceuticals/procedures when the body can produce a cure/heal on its own. Especially in a double-blind placebo study, it's important to see an accurate representation of how much effect the proposed medication has in comparison to what someone's mindset is when receiving either the "pill". I'd also like to reference a case study (although from 2002) that showed placebo was just as "effective" at relieving pain as an actual knee surgery. This shows the importance of placebo in these trials as it has a much larger impact that some might perceive. I am sure there are plenty of other studies where those in the placebo group even outperformed the tested drug, and these are crucial to determining whether or not that particular medication is even needed.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12110735/  

 
Posted : 29/10/2023 7:27 pm
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The placebo effect is a well-documented and intriguing phenomenon in clinical trials. It can be challenging to differentiate the placebo effect from the actual therapeutic effect of a drug, and it has several implications for clinical trials:

  1. Measurement and Control: To differentiate the placebo effect from the true drug effect, clinical trials typically include a control group that receives a placebo (sham treatment) while the other group receives the actual drug being tested. By comparing the outcomes of the two groups, researchers can assess whether the drug has a therapeutic effect beyond what might occur with a placebo.

  2. Baseline Expectations: The placebo effect can be influenced by a patient's expectations and beliefs. If patients believe they are receiving an active treatment, they may experience improvements even if the treatment has no pharmacological effect. Researchers aim to control for these baseline expectations by implementing blinding (participants and often researchers do not know who is receiving the placebo).

  3. Psychological and Physiological Mechanisms: The placebo effect involves both psychological and physiological mechanisms. For example, a patient's belief in a treatment can lead to the release of endorphins, which can provide pain relief. The exact mechanisms are still an area of ongoing research.

  4. Subjective Outcomes: The placebo effect can be particularly significant in trials with subjective outcomes, such as pain, anxiety, or depression. In these cases, it can be more challenging to differentiate between the placebo effect and the actual drug effect.

  5. Ethical Considerations: Placebo-controlled trials are necessary in certain situations, but they raise ethical questions when effective treatments are already available. It may not be ethical to use placebos when a proven treatment exists for a serious medical condition.

  6. Negative Effects on Clinical Trials: The placebo effect can indeed have negative effects on clinical trials, especially when the placebo effect is substantial and blinding is not effective. In such cases, it may be more difficult to demonstrate that the tested drug is genuinely effective, and the trial may yield inconclusive or misleading results.

To address these challenges, researchers carefully design and analyze clinical trials, often incorporating statistical methods to differentiate between placebo and treatment effects. The placebo effect is a critical consideration in the design and interpretation of clinical trials, and researchers aim to account for it to ensure that the results accurately reflect the therapeutic potential of the tested drugs.

 

 
Posted : 29/10/2023 9:48 pm
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